--- title: "Call or Fold: 8 Outs vs 3/4 pot, Flop" url: "https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot.md" canonical_url: "https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot" last_updated: "2026-10-21" type: "reference" summary: "Is a call right with 8 outs on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet? Chance 31.45%, price 30.00%, so call." related: ["https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold.md"] --- # Call or Fold: 8 Outs vs 3/4 pot, Flop Is a call right with 8 outs on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet? Chance 31.45%, price 30.00%, so call. 8 outs against a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop clear the price. You need 30.00% and you have 31.45%. - Verdict: Call (8 outs, flop, three-quarter-pot bet) - Chance to hit by the river: 31.45% (two cards to come) - Equity the call needs: 30.00% ($75 into a pot of $250) - Margin over the price: +1.45 points (your chance minus the price) ## The call in numbers The call just clears the price. You hold 31.45%, the three-quarter-pot bet asks for 30.00%, and the margin is 1.45 points. 8 outs is the standard count for an open-ended straight draw. Of the 47 unseen cards on the flop, 8 complete it, which is 17.02% on the very next card. ## The $100 pot example - Pot before the bet: $100 - The bet: $75 - Your call: $75 - Pot with your call in: $250 - Gain on a hit: $175 - Net loss when you miss: $75 - Your chance to hit: 31.45% - Expected value of a call: +$3.63 - Equity needed to break even: 30.00% - Margin, to four decimals: +1.4524 points - Fractional outs at the price: 7.59 outs - Outs above the price: +0.41 outs With no more betting, the whole pot won on a hit and the call lost on a miss, the call gains $3.63 on average. The hit side averages $55.04, the miss side $51.41, and each dollar called returns +0.048. Odds say the same thing. Hitting is 2.18 : 1 against, and the pot lays 2.33 : 1. One easy error is to use 42.86%, the bet over the pot before your call, as the price. The right price is 30.00%, and the mistaken margin would be -11.4048 points. The bet over the starting pot, 75.00%, would claim -43.5476 points. ## How safe the call is The call does not survive losing even one out. At 8 outs the chance is 31.45%, just enough for 30.00%, and that is the count you hold. Price of a three-quarter-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 8 outs on the flop | Given back later | Price with it | Your chance minus price | Value of the call | Call? | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | $0 | 30.00% | +1.45 points | +$3.63 | Call | | $10 | 31.25% | +0.20 points | +$0.49 | Call | | $25 | 33.33% | -1.88 points | -$4.23 | Fold | | $50 | 37.50% | -6.05 points | -$12.10 | Fold | | $100 | 50.00% | -18.55 points | -$27.82 | Fold | After a hit you could give back up to $11.54 on later streets, 0.15 times your call, before the call stops paying. ## Which chance to use 8 outs against a three-quarter-pot bet, one view per row | Cards counted | Chance | Margin over price | Value of the call | Verdict | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | By the river, two cards | 31.45% | +1.4524 points | +$3.63 | Call | | Next card only | 17.02% | -12.9787 points | -$32.45 | Fold | The verdict depends on how many cards you get to see. The runout figure is 31.45% (call), the next-card figure is 17.02% (fold), and the price is 30.00%. ## How the answer moves with outs A few outs either way, against a three-quarter-pot bet that needs 30.00%. The chance climbs about 3.52 points with each extra out. Outs 6 to 10 on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet | Outs | By the river | Margin | Verdict | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | [6 outs](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/6-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot.md) | 24.14% | -5.86 points | Fold | | [7 outs](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/7-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot.md) | 27.84% | -2.16 points | Fold | | 8 outs, this page | 31.45% | +1.45 points | Call | | [9 outs](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/9-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot.md) | 34.97% | +4.97 points | Call | | [10 outs](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/10-outs-flop-vs-three-quarter-pot.md) | 38.39% | +8.39 points | Call | ## Bigger and smaller bets Look down the margin column to see where the draw stops paying. Every row uses 8 outs on the flop and a bet of a different size. 8 outs on the flop against every bet size | Bet size | Equity needed | Margin | Verdict | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | quarter-pot | 16.67% | +14.79 points | Call | | [third-pot](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-third-pot.md) | 20.00% | +11.45 points | Call | | two-fifths-pot | 22.22% | +9.23 points | Call | | [half-pot](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-half-pot.md) | 25.00% | +6.45 points | Call | | [two-thirds-pot](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-two-thirds-pot.md) | 28.57% | +2.88 points | Call | | three-quarter-pot, this page | 30.00% | +1.45 points | Call | | [pot-size](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold/8-outs-flop-vs-pot-size.md) | 33.33% | -1.88 points | Fold | | 1.25x-pot | 35.71% | -4.26 points | Fold | | 1.5x-pot | 37.50% | -6.05 points | Fold | | 2x-pot | 40.00% | -8.55 points | Fold | | 3x-pot | 42.86% | -11.40 points | Fold | | 4x-pot | 44.44% | -12.99 points | Fold | Past 0.85 times the pot ($84.79 on a $100 pot) the price outruns your chance. Of the 12 sizes, 6 are calls for 8 outs on the flop. ## Go deeper - [8 outs on the flop](https://georgelipoker.com/outs/8-outs-flop.md) - [Pot odds for a three-quarter-pot bet](https://georgelipoker.com/pot-odds/three-quarter-pot.md) - [Pot odds calculator](https://georgelipoker.com/tools/pot-odds-calculator.md) - [Outs calculator](https://georgelipoker.com/tools/outs-calculator.md) - [Call or fold with a draw](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold.md) ## Questions ### Call or fold with 8 outs on the flop against a bet of three quarters of the pot? Verdict: call. A three-quarter-pot bet asks for 30.00% and you have 31.45%, a margin of +1.45 points. For a $75 call into a $100 pot, with no later bets and the whole pot won on a hit, the average is +$3.63. ### What is the minimum number of outs for a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop? You need at least 8 outs against a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop. That count hits 31.45% against 30.00% needed, and 7 falls short at 27.84%. With 8 you are exactly at the minimum. ### Does it matter whether you count one card or two against a three-quarter-pot bet? It depends on what follows. If the hand ends here, count both cards: 31.45%. If another bet is coming on the turn, count one card: 17.02%. Compared with 30.00%, that is a call in the first case and a fold in the second. ## How this is computed No sampling is involved. On the flop there are 1,081 pairs of unseen cards, and 741 of them contain no out, which leaves 31.45% for at least one out. The model is deliberately simple: call everything, win everything on a hit, face no more bets, deal from 47 equally likely unseen cards, and ignore an opponent's holding. With the price at $75 / $250 = 30.00%, later streets and shared outs are what change the real answer. Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library. ## Related pages - [8 outs on the flop](https://georgelipoker.com/outs/8-outs-flop.md) - [Pot odds for a three-quarter-pot bet](https://georgelipoker.com/pot-odds/three-quarter-pot.md) - [Pot odds calculator](https://georgelipoker.com/tools/pot-odds-calculator.md) - [Outs calculator](https://georgelipoker.com/tools/outs-calculator.md) - [Call or fold with a draw](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold.md) ## Related - [Call or Fold With a Draw by Bet Size](https://georgelipoker.com/call-or-fold.md)