2 outs on the flop against a third-pot bet: call or fold

2 outs against a third-pot bet on the flop miss the price. You need 20.00% and you have 8.42%.

Verdict

Fold

2 outs, flop, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come8.42%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price-11.58 points

Chance against price

The call is clearly not worth making. 8.42% is your chance to hit, 20.00% is the price, and the gap between them is 11.58 points.

For a pocket pair that wants a set, 2 outs is the number to use, and one card hits 4.26% of the time out of 47 unseen.

The same spot in dollars

  • Pot when the bet arrives$100
  • Size of the bet$33.33
  • You call$33.33
  • Total pot after calling$166.67
  • Gain on a hit$133.33
  • You lose on a miss$33.33
  • Probability of a hit8.42%
  • Expected value of calling-$19.30
  • Equity needed to break even20.00%
  • Unrounded margin-11.5819 points
  • Outs at break-even4.91 outs
  • Margin measured in outs-2.91 outs

Assume the whole pot goes to you when you hit, the call is lost when you miss, and nothing more is bet. Calling then loses $19.30 on average: $11.22 from hits, minus $30.53 from misses, -0.579 per dollar called.

The same comparison in odds: the odds against hitting are 10.88 : 1, and the pot lays 4 : 1 on a call.

Skipping your own call in the pot gives a price of 25.00% where 20.00% is correct, and a margin of -16.5819 points instead of -11.58 points. The starting pot gives 33.33% and a margin of -24.9152 points, which is wrong by even more.

Closing the gap with future bets

Your chance is 8.42%, so a hit has to pay $395.97 in all, or $229.30 more than the pot you can see. That extra is 6.88 times what you call.

If the draw had 3 more outs, for 5 in all, the chance would be 20.35% and the call would clear 20.00%.

Price of a third-pot call with future winnings added, 2 outs on the flop
Future winningsPrice with themYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%-11.58 points-$19.30Fold
$5015.38%-6.97 points-$15.09Fold
$10012.50%-4.08 points-$10.88Fold
$2508.00%+0.42 points+$1.74Call
$5005.00%+3.42 points+$22.79Call

Two cards to come, or just one

No conflict here: 8.42% for two cards and 4.26% for one both give a fold against the 20.00% price, so you need not decide which view applies.

2 outs against a third-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards8.42%-11.5819 points-$19.30Fold
Next card only4.26%-15.7447 points-$26.24Fold

A few outs either way

Move up or down a few outs and watch the verdict. Every extra out is worth about 4.07 points on the flop, and the price stays at 20.00%.

Outs 1 to 5 on the flop against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
1 out4.26%-15.74 pointsFold
2 outs, this page8.42%-11.58 pointsFold
3 outs12.49%-7.51 pointsFold
4 outs16.47%-3.53 pointsFold
5 outs20.35%+0.35 pointsCall

Every bet size, one draw

One draw, 12 bets. Each row gives the equity the call needs, the margin over it, and the verdict for 2 outs on the flop.

No bet size in the table is a call. The smallest, quarter-pot, needs 16.67% against your 8.42%, and the largest bet this draw could call is only 0.10 times the pot ($10.12 on a $100 pot).

2 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%-8.25 pointsFold
third-pot, this page20.00%-11.58 pointsFold
two-fifths-pot22.22%-13.80 pointsFold
half-pot25.00%-16.58 pointsFold
two-thirds-pot28.57%-20.15 pointsFold
three-quarter-pot30.00%-21.58 pointsFold
pot-size33.33%-24.92 pointsFold
1.25x-pot35.71%-27.30 pointsFold
1.5x-pot37.50%-29.08 pointsFold
2x-pot40.00%-31.58 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-34.44 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-36.03 pointsFold

How this is computed

The number is exact rather than estimated. 990 of the 1,081 pairs that could come are blanks, which leaves 8.42% for a hit.

What is held fixed: the call equals the bet, so the price is $33.33 / $166.67 = 20.00%; the pot is won whole on a hit; there is no further betting; and each of the 47 unseen cards is as likely as any other. Opponent cards are not removed.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

Should you call a third-pot bet with 2 outs on the flop?

Verdict: fold. A third-pot bet asks for 20.00% and you have 8.42%, a margin of -11.58 points. For a $33.33 call into a $100 pot, with no later bets and the whole pot won on a hit, the average is -$19.30.

How many outs make a call correct against a third of the pot on the flop?

The threshold is 5 outs. It gives 20.35%, clearing 20.00%, whereas 4 gives only 16.47%. Holding 2 puts you 3 below it, with a chance of 8.42%.

When is the next-card chance the better comparison?

Pick the number that matches the street plan: 8.42% for seeing both cards for one bet, 4.26% for paying card by card. Both face 20.00%, and the verdict is fold either way.

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