18 outs on the turn against a third-pot bet: call or fold

Call. With 18 outs on the turn, your 39.13% chance beats the 20.00% price of a third-pot bet.

Verdict

Call

18 outs, turn, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the riverone card to come39.13%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+19.13 points

Comparing the draw with the bet

The price is 20.00% and your chance is 39.13%. You sit 19.13 points above the line, which is a wide gap, so you call.

18 out of 46 unseen cards is a combined count rather than one named draw, and one card hits 39.13% of the time.

A $100 pot, step by step

  • Pot before the bet$100
  • Bet$33.33
  • Chips you put in$33.33
  • Pot with your call in$166.67
  • Net gain when you hit$133.33
  • Loss on a miss$33.33
  • Your chance to hit39.13%
  • Expected value of calling+$31.88
  • Break-even equity20.00%
  • Your chance minus the price, unrounded+19.1304 points
  • Outs that exactly reach the price9.20 outs
  • Outs above the price+8.80 outs

Suppose a hit wins the entire pot, a miss loses your call, and no more betting follows. The average gain is $52.17, the average loss is $20.29, and calling gains $31.88 on average, or +0.957 per dollar called.

As odds, 1.56 : 1 against hitting meets pot odds of 4 : 1.

A common slip is to divide the bet by the pot after the bet but before your call. That gives 25.00% instead of 20.00% and would put your margin at +14.1304 points. Using the bet over the starting pot, 33.33%, is further off and would put it at +5.7971 points.

Your cushion over the price

10 outs is the line for a third-pot bet on the turn. Your 18 sit 8 outs above it, and the chance at the line is 21.74%.

Think of $81.48 as your safety room: the most you can give back after a hit, 2.44 times your call, with the call still level.

Price of a third-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 18 outs on the turn
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%+19.13 points+$31.88Call
$1021.28%+17.85 points+$27.97Call
$2523.53%+15.60 points+$22.10Call
$5028.57%+10.56 points+$12.32Call
$10050.00%-10.87 points-$7.25Fold

One card to come instead of two

18 outs are worth less on the turn. The chance moves from 62.44% on the flop to 39.13% now, a fall of 23.31 points, and the flop verdict was a call against the same 20.00% price.

18 outs against a third-pot bet, flop and turn
StreetChance by the riverMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
Flop, two cards to come62.44%+42.4422 points+$70.74Call
Turn, one card to come39.13%+19.1304 points+$31.88Call

Neighbors of this draw

Draws close to yours, on the same street and against the same bet: the price is fixed at 20.00%, and each out moves the chance about 2.17 points.

Outs 16 to 20 on the turn against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
16 outs34.78%+14.78 pointsCall
17 outs36.96%+16.96 pointsCall
18 outs, this page39.13%+19.13 pointsCall
19 outs41.30%+21.30 pointsCall
20 outs43.48%+23.48 pointsCall

The draw across every bet size

The same 18 outs on the turn meet a different price at each bet size. The table runs from the smallest bet to the largest, and the row for this page is marked.

A bet larger than 1.80 times the pot ($180 on a $100 pot) asks for more than 39.13%. For this draw, 9 of the 12 sizes are calls.

18 outs on the turn against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+22.46 pointsCall
third-pot, this page20.00%+19.13 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+16.91 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+14.13 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+10.56 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot30.00%+9.13 pointsCall
pot-size33.33%+5.80 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%+3.42 pointsCall
1.5x-pot37.50%+1.63 pointsCall
2x-pot40.00%-0.87 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-3.73 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-5.31 pointsFold

How this is computed

No sampling is involved. On the turn there are 46 unseen cards and 18 outs among them, which gives 18 / 46 = 39.13%.

These figures describe a clean spot. You pay the whole bet, which costs $33.33 of a $166.67 pot (20.00%), collect the whole pot on a hit, meet no more bets, and draw from 46 equally likely cards, with no adjustment for an opponent's hand.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

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Questions

How should you respond to a third-pot bet on the turn when you hold 18 outs?

Verdict: call. A third-pot bet asks for 20.00% and you have 39.13%, a margin of +19.13 points. For a $33.33 call into a $100 pot, with no later bets and the whole pot won on a hit, the average is +$31.88.

How many outs are enough to continue against a bet of a third of the pot on the turn?

10 outs is the line. At 10 the chance is 21.74%, enough for 20.00%; one fewer gives 19.57%, which is not. Your 18 outs sit 8 above it on the turn, at 39.13%.

Does it matter whether you count one card or two against a third-pot bet?

On the turn only one card is left, so the by-the-river chance and the next-card chance are the same, 39.13%. Against the 20.00% price that is a call, with a margin of +19.13 points.

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