11 outs on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet: call or fold

Here is why a call works on the flop: a three-quarter-pot bet needs 30.00% equity, and 11 outs supply 41.72%.

Verdict

Call

11 outs, flop, three-quarter-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come41.72%
  • Equity the call needs$75 into a pot of $25030.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+11.72 points

Reading the verdict

Pay the three-quarter-pot bet and you get a better deal than the draw needs. You need 30.00%, you have 41.72%, and the 11.72-point difference is large.

You will reach 11 outs by adding up separate draws. With 47 cards unseen, the next card helps 23.40% of the time.

Counting the chips on a $100 pot

  • The pot before betting$100
  • Your opponent bets$75
  • Your call$75
  • Pot with your call in$250
  • You can win on a hit$175
  • You lose on a miss$75
  • How often you hit41.72%
  • Expected value of a call+$29.30
  • Price of the call30.00%
  • Margin, to four decimals+11.7206 points
  • Outs at break-even7.59 outs
  • Outs to spare, exactly+3.41 outs

Price it in dollars, with no later bets: win the whole pot on a hit, lose the call on a miss. That averages $73.01 in and $43.71 out, so calling gains $29.30 on average at +0.391 per dollar called.

Written as odds, the pot lays 2.33 : 1 while the draw is 1.4 : 1 against.

Watch the pot you divide by. Leaving your call out turns 30.00% into 42.86%, and the margin into -1.1365 points. Dividing by the starting pot gives 75.00% and a margin of -33.2794 points, further from the truth.

How many outs you could lose

Count how many outs the call needs: 8 reach the 30.00% price, and you have 11. That leaves 3 outs of slack.

Later betting can cut into the call. You may surrender $70.23, or 0.94 times your call, after a hit and still break even.

Price of a three-quarter-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 11 outs on the flop
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$030.00%+11.72 points+$29.30Call
$1031.25%+10.47 points+$25.13Call
$2533.33%+8.39 points+$18.87Call
$5037.50%+4.22 points+$8.44Call
$10050.00%-8.28 points-$12.42Fold

Which chance to use

The verdict depends on how many cards you get to see. The runout figure is 41.72% (call), the next-card figure is 23.40% (fold), and the price is 30.00%.

11 outs against a three-quarter-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards41.72%+11.7206 points+$29.30Call
Next card only23.40%-6.5957 points-$16.49Fold

One out more or less

Here are the neighbors of 11 outs, priced against the same 30.00%. One more out lifts your chance by about 3.24 points.

Outs 9 to 13 on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
9 outs34.97%+4.97 pointsCall
10 outs38.39%+8.39 pointsCall
11 outs, this page41.72%+11.72 pointsCall
12 outs44.96%+14.96 pointsCall
13 outs48.10%+18.10 pointsCall

Every bet size, one draw

How much does bet size matter? The price climbs from 16.67% to 44.44% across the list, while 11 outs stay at 41.72%.

The ceiling for a call is a bet of 2.52 times the pot ($251.96 on a $100 pot). 10 out of 12 sizes sit under it on the flop.

11 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+25.05 pointsCall
third-pot20.00%+21.72 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+19.50 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+16.72 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+13.15 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot, this page30.00%+11.72 pointsCall
pot-size33.33%+8.39 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%+6.01 pointsCall
1.5x-pot37.50%+4.22 pointsCall
2x-pot40.00%+1.72 pointsCall
3x-pot42.86%-1.14 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-2.72 pointsFold

How this is computed

Here is how 41.72% was found. Deal every pair of the 47 unseen cards: 630 of 1,081 pairs contain no out.

The price is call / (pot + bet + call), here $75 / $250 = 30.00%, and the margin is your chance minus it. The page assumes you call the whole bet, win the whole pot whenever you hit, and see no more betting. All 47 unseen cards are equally likely and none is removed for an opponent's hand, so this is the chance to hit your outs, not your equity against one hand.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

What does the math say about calling a bet of three quarters of the pot with 11 outs on the flop?

By the numbers it is a call. 11 outs on the flop hit 41.72% by the river, a three-quarter-pot bet needs 30.00%, and the margin is +11.72 points. That assumes you call the full $75 and no more betting follows, and it values the call at +$29.30 per $100 pot.

At what count of outs does a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop become a call?

To call a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop you want 8 outs or more. 8 reach 31.45% and 7 reach 27.84%, with 30.00% as the bar. Your 11 outs are 3 over.

Does it matter whether you count one card or two against a three-quarter-pot bet?

Pick the number that matches the street plan: 41.72% for seeing both cards for one bet, 23.40% for paying card by card. Both face 30.00%, and they lead to call and fold in that order.

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