11 outs on the flop against a third-pot bet: call or fold

Here is why a call works on the flop: a third-pot bet needs 20.00% equity, and 11 outs supply 41.72%.

Verdict

Call

11 outs, flop, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come41.72%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+21.72 points

Reading the verdict

Your draw is priced at 20.00% and it arrives 41.72% of the time. A lead of 21.72 points is wide enough that the call stands even if the numbers shift a little.

A total of 11 outs tends to come from stacking several ways to improve. The next card is an out 23.40% of the time, 11 in 47.

Worked through on a $100 pot

  • Pot when the bet arrives$100
  • Size of the bet$33.33
  • Chips you put in$33.33
  • Final pot if you call$166.67
  • What a hit wins$133.33
  • You lose on a miss$33.33
  • Your chance to hit41.72%
  • Average value of the call+$36.20
  • Equity the call needs20.00%
  • Unrounded margin+21.7206 points
  • Outs that exactly reach the price4.91 outs
  • Outs above the price+6.09 outs

If you win the whole pot on a hit and lose your call otherwise, with no more betting, calling gains $36.20 on average. Hits add $55.63 on average and misses cost $19.43 on average, or +1.086 per dollar called.

Put as odds, the draw is 1.4 : 1 against, and the pot offers 4 : 1 for the call.

Skipping your own call in the pot gives a price of 25.00% where 20.00% is correct, and a margin of +16.7206 points instead of +21.72 points. The starting pot gives 33.33% and a margin of +8.3873 points, which is wrong by even more.

How many outs you could lose

Against this bet the draw needs 5 outs at the least. You have 6 outs more than that, so the call has some room.

Later betting can cut into the call. You may surrender $86.77, or 2.60 times your call, after a hit and still break even.

Price of a third-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 11 outs on the flop
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%+21.72 points+$36.20Call
$1021.28%+20.44 points+$32.03Call
$2523.53%+18.19 points+$25.77Call
$5028.57%+13.15 points+$15.34Call
$10050.00%-8.28 points-$5.52Fold

Two cards to come, or just one

No conflict here: 41.72% for two cards and 23.40% for one both give a call against the 20.00% price, so you need not decide which view applies.

11 outs against a third-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards41.72%+21.7206 points+$36.20Call
Next card only23.40%+3.4043 points+$5.67Call

Neighbors of this draw

Draws close to yours, on the same street and against the same bet: the price is fixed at 20.00%, and each out moves the chance about 3.24 points.

Outs 9 to 13 on the flop against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
9 outs34.97%+14.97 pointsCall
10 outs38.39%+18.39 pointsCall
11 outs, this page41.72%+21.72 pointsCall
12 outs44.96%+24.96 pointsCall
13 outs48.10%+28.10 pointsCall

Every bet size, one draw

Look down the margin column to see where the draw stops paying. Every row uses 11 outs on the flop and a bet of a different size.

Past 2.52 times the pot ($251.96 on a $100 pot) the price outruns your chance. Of the 12 sizes, 10 are calls for 11 outs on the flop.

11 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+25.05 pointsCall
third-pot, this page20.00%+21.72 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+19.50 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+16.72 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+13.15 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot30.00%+11.72 pointsCall
pot-size33.33%+8.39 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%+6.01 pointsCall
1.5x-pot37.50%+4.22 pointsCall
2x-pot40.00%+1.72 pointsCall
3x-pot42.86%-1.14 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-2.72 pointsFold

How this is computed

Counting is exact: the pairs of unseen cards with no out number 630 out of 1,081, so hitting by the river has chance 41.72%.

The numbers are a baseline rather than a prediction for one hand. The price is 20.00%, from $33.33 into $166.67, and the chance assumes a whole pot won on a hit, no more betting, 47 equally likely unseen cards, and no cards removed for the other player.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

Should you call a third-pot bet with 11 outs on the flop?

The answer is a call, with a margin of +21.72 points. 11 outs on the flop reach 41.72%; a bet of $33.33 into $100 needs 20.00%. Win the whole pot on a hit and lose the call on a miss, and the call is worth +$36.20 on average.

How many outs make a call correct against a third of the pot on the flop?

The threshold is 5 outs. It gives 20.35%, clearing 20.00%, whereas 4 gives only 16.47%. Holding 11 puts you 6 above it, with a chance of 41.72%.

One card or two: which number belongs next to the 20.00% price?

The river figure of 41.72% assumes no further betting; the next-card figure of 23.40% assumes you pay again on the turn. Against 20.00%, both say call, so you can use either.

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