12 outs on the flop against a third-pot bet: call or fold

Your draw is priced fairly enough to call here: 44.96% to hit, 20.00% needed against a third-pot bet on the flop.

Verdict

Call

12 outs, flop, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come44.96%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+24.96 points

Chance against price

44.96% against 20.00%: the draw beats the price by 24.96 points. On this flop against a third-pot bet, that is a comfortable call.

Count a flush draw with a gutshot and you land on 12 outs. With 47 cards unseen, the next card helps 25.53% of the time.

The same spot in dollars

  • The pot before betting$100
  • Your opponent bets$33.33
  • Cost to call$33.33
  • Total pot after calling$166.67
  • Gain on a hit$133.33
  • Net loss when you miss$33.33
  • Probability of a hit44.96%
  • Expected value of calling+$41.60
  • Equity needed to break even20.00%
  • Exact margin over the price+24.9584 points
  • Outs that exactly reach the price4.91 outs
  • Margin measured in outs+7.09 outs

Suppose a hit wins the entire pot, a miss loses your call, and no more betting follows. The average gain is $59.94, the average loss is $18.35, and calling gains $41.60 on average, or +1.248 per dollar called.

As odds, 1.22 : 1 against hitting meets pot odds of 4 : 1.

Watch the pot you divide by. Leaving your call out turns 20.00% into 25.00%, and the margin into +19.9584 points. Dividing by the starting pot gives 33.33% and a margin of +11.6250 points, further from the truth.

How much room the call has

If some outs turned out to be shared with a better hand, you could give up 7 outs and still call. The floor is 5, at 20.35%.

The call keeps its edge until you lose $92.52 on later streets after hitting. That is 2.78 times the $33.33 you pay now.

Price of a third-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 12 outs on the flop
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%+24.96 points+$41.60Call
$1021.28%+23.68 points+$37.10Call
$2523.53%+21.43 points+$30.36Call
$5028.57%+16.39 points+$19.12Call
$10050.00%-5.04 points-$3.36Fold

One card or two

Whether you count one card or two, the answer is a call. The river figure is 44.96%, the next-card figure is 25.53%, and both are measured against 20.00%.

12 outs against a third-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards44.96%+24.9584 points+$41.60Call
Next card only25.53%+5.5319 points+$9.22Call

The call as outs change

Here are the neighbors of 12 outs, priced against the same 20.00%. One more out lifts your chance by about 3.15 points.

Outs 10 to 14 on the flop against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
10 outs38.39%+18.39 pointsCall
11 outs41.72%+21.72 pointsCall
12 outs, this page44.96%+24.96 pointsCall
13 outs48.10%+28.10 pointsCall
14 outs51.16%+31.16 pointsCall

The draw across every bet size

Bigger bets ask for more equity while your chance stays at 44.96%. Here is every bet size against the same draw, with the row for this page marked.

Your 44.96% chance tops every price in the table, so every bet size is a call: the largest price, 44.44%, is still below it.

12 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+28.29 pointsCall
third-pot, this page20.00%+24.96 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+22.74 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+19.96 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+16.39 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot30.00%+14.96 pointsCall
pot-size33.33%+11.63 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%+9.24 pointsCall
1.5x-pot37.50%+7.46 pointsCall
2x-pot40.00%+4.96 pointsCall
3x-pot42.86%+2.10 pointsCall
4x-pot44.44%+0.51 pointsCall

How this is computed

Here is how 44.96% was found. Deal every pair of the 47 unseen cards: 595 of 1,081 pairs contain no out.

Four assumptions sit behind the verdict: you call the full bet, a hit wins the entire pot, no money goes in after the call, and every one of the 47 unseen cards is equally likely. The price is $33.33 / $166.67 = 20.00%. No card is taken out for what an opponent might hold.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

Call or fold with 12 outs on the flop against a bet of a third of the pot?

Verdict: call. A third-pot bet asks for 20.00% and you have 44.96%, a margin of +24.96 points. For a $33.33 call into a $100 pot, with no later bets and the whole pot won on a hit, the average is +$41.60.

How many outs make a call correct against a third of the pot on the flop?

5 outs is the line. At 5 the chance is 20.35%, enough for 20.00%; one fewer gives 16.47%, which is not. Your 12 outs sit 7 above it on the flop, at 44.96%.

One card or two: which number belongs next to the 20.00% price?

Match the number to the betting: 44.96% if all-in or checked down, 25.53% if you face another bet on the turn. The price is 20.00%, and both numbers agree on call.

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