12 outs on the flop against a pot-size bet: call or fold

Facing a pot-size bet on the flop with 12 outs, the call is correct: 44.96% to hit against 33.33% needed.

Verdict

Call

12 outs, flop, pot-size bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come44.96%
  • Equity the call needs$100 into a pot of $30033.33%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+11.63 points

Chance against price

The price is 33.33% and your chance is 44.96%. You sit 11.63 points above the line, which is a wide gap, so you call.

Holding a flush draw with a gutshot gives you exactly 12 outs, out of 47 unseen cards. One card hits 25.53% of the time.

The $100 pot example

  • Starting pot$100
  • Your opponent bets$100
  • Cost to call$100
  • Total pot after calling$300
  • What a hit wins$200
  • Net loss when you miss$100
  • How often you hit44.96%
  • Calling is worth, on average+$34.88
  • Equity needed to break even33.33%
  • Unrounded margin+11.6250 points
  • Outs at break-even8.53 outs
  • Outs to spare, exactly+3.47 outs

Expected value says the same in dollars. Win the whole pot on a hit, lose your call on a miss, add no more betting, and the call gains $34.88 on average: $89.92 in, $55.04 out, +0.349 per dollar called.

In odds, you face 1.22 : 1 against you and the pot pays 2 : 1.

One easy error is to use 50.00%, the bet over the pot before your call, as the price. The right price is 33.33%, and the mistaken margin would be -5.0416 points.

Reverse implied odds and your margin

Against this bet the draw needs 9 outs at the least. You have 3 outs more than that, so the call has some room.

Reverse implied odds are the risk here. A hit that costs you $77.57 later, 0.78 times your call, is where the call stops being worth it.

Price of a pot-size call if you give money back after a hit, 12 outs on the flop
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$033.33%+11.63 points+$34.88Call
$1034.48%+10.48 points+$30.38Call
$2536.36%+8.59 points+$23.64Call
$5040.00%+4.96 points+$12.40Call
$10050.00%-5.04 points-$10.08Fold

Which chance to use

The two views split. By the river 44.96% gives a call, but the next card alone is 25.53%, which gives a fold. Use the river figure when no more betting follows and the next-card figure when you face another bet on the turn.

12 outs against a pot-size bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards44.96%+11.6250 points+$34.88Call
Next card only25.53%-7.8014 points-$23.40Fold

A few outs either way

Move up or down a few outs and watch the verdict. Every extra out is worth about 3.15 points on the flop, and the price stays at 33.33%.

Outs 10 to 14 on the flop against a pot-size bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
10 outs38.39%+5.06 pointsCall
11 outs41.72%+8.39 pointsCall
12 outs, this page44.96%+11.63 pointsCall
13 outs48.10%+14.77 pointsCall
14 outs51.16%+17.82 pointsCall

The same draw against other bet sizes

Keep 12 outs and change only the bet. The price rises from the smallest size to the largest, and the pot-size row is marked as this page.

Nothing in the list is too big to call: 12 outs reach 44.96% on the flop, above every price on the page.

12 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+28.29 pointsCall
third-pot20.00%+24.96 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+22.74 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+19.96 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+16.39 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot30.00%+14.96 pointsCall
pot-size, this page33.33%+11.63 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%+9.24 pointsCall
1.5x-pot37.50%+7.46 pointsCall
2x-pot40.00%+4.96 pointsCall
3x-pot42.86%+2.10 pointsCall
4x-pot44.44%+0.51 pointsCall

How this is computed

Everything is computed from the closed form. Pairs without an out: 595 of 1,081. The rest, 44.96%, hold at least one out.

What is held fixed: the call equals the bet, so the price is $100 / $300 = 33.33%; the pot is won whole on a hit; there is no further betting; and each of the 47 unseen cards is as likely as any other. Opponent cards are not removed.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

Should you call a pot-size bet with 12 outs on the flop?

Your chance, 44.96%, set against the 33.33% price gives +11.63 points and a call. With a $100 pot, a $100 call and no more betting, the average value of the call is +$34.88.

What count of outs clears the price of a pot-size bet on the flop?

A call starts to work at 9 outs: 34.97% to hit versus 33.33% needed. One out fewer drops the chance to 31.45%. You hold 12, which is 3 more than the minimum.

Should you use the chance on the next card or by the river?

Match the number to the betting. All-in or checked down: 44.96%. Facing another bet on the turn: 25.53%. The price is 33.33%, so the verdicts are call and fold in that order.

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