9 outs on the flop against a third-pot bet: call or fold

On the flop, 9 outs are enough to call a third-pot bet. The price is 20.00% and the chance is 34.97%.

Verdict

Call

9 outs, flop, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come34.97%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price+14.97 points

How the verdict is reached

This is one of the easier spots. 9 outs on the flop reach 34.97% by the river, the third-pot bet asks for just 20.00%, and the 14.97-point margin favors the call.

9 out of 47 unseen cards is the shape of a flush draw, and a single card hits 19.15% of the time.

The arithmetic of this call

  • The pot before betting$100
  • Bet$33.33
  • You call$33.33
  • Pot after your call$166.67
  • Gain on a hit$133.33
  • Loss on a miss$33.33
  • Your chance to hit34.97%
  • Average value of the call+$24.95
  • Break-even equity20.00%
  • Margin, to four decimals+14.9676 points
  • Outs that exactly reach the price4.91 outs
  • Outs to spare, exactly+4.09 outs

Over many identical spots, with the whole pot won on every hit, the call lost on every miss and no extra betting, calling gains $24.95 on average. Hits bring in $46.62, misses cost $21.68, and the ratio is +0.748 per dollar called.

Written as odds, the pot lays 4 : 1 while the draw is 1.86 : 1 against.

One easy error is to use 25.00%, the bet over the pot before your call, as the price. The right price is 20.00%, and the mistaken margin would be +9.9676 points. The bet over the starting pot, 33.33%, would claim +1.6343 points.

How much room the call has

The threshold is 5 outs, a chance of 20.35%. With 9 in hand you are 4 outs clear of it.

The call keeps its edge until you lose $71.34 on later streets after hitting. That is 2.14 times the $33.33 you pay now.

Price of a third-pot call if you give money back after a hit, 9 outs on the flop
Given back laterPrice with itYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%+14.97 points+$24.95Call
$1021.28%+13.69 points+$21.45Call
$2523.53%+11.44 points+$16.20Call
$5028.57%+6.40 points+$7.46Call
$10050.00%-15.03 points-$10.02Fold

Which chance to use

34.97% for two cards says call, while 19.15% for one card says fold, both against 20.00%. If you will have to pay again on the turn, trust the one-card number.

9 outs against a third-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards34.97%+14.9676 points+$24.95Call
Next card only19.15%-0.8511 points-$1.42Fold

Nearby draws

Here are the neighbors of 9 outs, priced against the same 20.00%. One more out lifts your chance by about 3.42 points.

Outs 7 to 11 on the flop against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
7 outs27.84%+7.84 pointsCall
8 outs31.45%+11.45 pointsCall
9 outs, this page34.97%+14.97 pointsCall
10 outs38.39%+18.39 pointsCall
11 outs41.72%+21.72 pointsCall

Changing the bet, keeping the draw

Bet size sets the price, so the verdict changes as you scan the table. The third-pot bet of this page is marked in the first column.

The ceiling for a call is a bet of 1.16 times the pot ($116.31 on a $100 pot). 7 out of 12 sizes sit under it on the flop.

9 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+18.30 pointsCall
third-pot, this page20.00%+14.97 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%+12.75 pointsCall
half-pot25.00%+9.97 pointsCall
two-thirds-pot28.57%+6.40 pointsCall
three-quarter-pot30.00%+4.97 pointsCall
pot-size33.33%+1.63 pointsCall
1.25x-pot35.71%-0.75 pointsFold
1.5x-pot37.50%-2.53 pointsFold
2x-pot40.00%-5.03 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-7.89 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-9.48 pointsFold

How this is computed

The chance rests on counting, not on a rule of thumb. Blank pairs: 703 out of 1,081; hit chance: 34.97%.

Four assumptions sit behind the verdict: you call the full bet, a hit wins the entire pot, no money goes in after the call, and every one of the 47 unseen cards is equally likely. The price is $33.33 / $166.67 = 20.00%. No card is taken out for what an opponent might hold.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

What does the math say about calling a bet of a third of the pot with 9 outs on the flop?

By the numbers it is a call. 9 outs on the flop hit 34.97% by the river, a third-pot bet needs 20.00%, and the margin is +14.97 points. That assumes you call the full $33.33 and no more betting follows, and it values the call at +$24.95 per $100 pot.

How many outs are enough to continue against a bet of a third of the pot on the flop?

To call a third-pot bet on the flop you want 5 outs or more. 5 reach 20.35% and 4 reach 16.47%, with 20.00% as the bar. Your 9 outs are 4 over.

Is the by-the-river chance the right one to use on the flop?

Use the by-the-river chance, 34.97%, when you are all-in or no more betting follows. Use the next-card chance, 19.15%, when you must pay again on the turn. Against the 20.00% price the first is a call and the second is a fold.

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