5 outs on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet: call or fold

The numbers favor a fold. 5 outs on the flop reach 20.35%, and a three-quarter-pot bet asks for 30.00%.

Verdict

Fold

5 outs, flop, three-quarter-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the rivertwo cards to come20.35%
  • Equity the call needs$75 into a pot of $25030.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price-9.65 points

What the numbers say

With 5 outs on the flop you hit 20.35% by the river, and a three-quarter-pot bet asks for 30.00%. A 9.65-point shortfall makes this a clear fold.

You will reach 5 outs by adding up separate draws. With 47 cards unseen, the next card helps 10.64% of the time.

Worked through on a $100 pot

  • Starting pot$100
  • Bet$75
  • Chips you put in$75
  • Pot with your call in$250
  • You can win on a hit$175
  • Loss on a miss$75
  • Probability of a hit20.35%
  • Average value of the call-$24.12
  • Break-even equity30.00%
  • Margin, to four decimals-9.6485 points
  • Fractional outs at the price7.59 outs
  • Margin measured in outs-2.59 outs

Suppose a hit wins the entire pot, a miss loses your call, and no more betting follows. The average gain is $35.62, the average loss is $59.74, and calling loses $24.12 on average, or -0.322 per dollar called.

Read as odds: 3.91 : 1 against you, 2.33 : 1 from the pot.

One easy error is to use 42.86%, the bet over the pot before your call, as the price. The right price is 30.00%, and the mistaken margin would be -22.5056 points. The bet over the starting pot, 75.00%, would claim -54.6485 points.

Implied odds that would change the answer

With 20.35% to hit, break-even sits $118.52 higher than the pot shows. Put another way, later bets must add 1.58 times your call.

If the draw had 3 more outs, for 8 in all, the chance would be 31.45% and the call would clear 30.00%.

Price of a three-quarter-pot call with future winnings added, 5 outs on the flop
Future winningsPrice with themYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$030.00%-9.65 points-$24.12Fold
$5025.00%-4.65 points-$13.95Fold
$10021.43%-1.08 points-$3.77Fold
$25015.00%+5.35 points+$26.76Call
$50010.00%+10.35 points+$77.64Call

By the river or next card

The two chances agree on the verdict. 20.35% by the river and 10.64% on one card each lead to a fold against 30.00%.

5 outs against a three-quarter-pot bet, one view per row
Cards countedChanceMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
By the river, two cards20.35%-9.6485 points-$24.12Fold
Next card only10.64%-19.3617 points-$48.40Fold

One out more or less

Move up or down a few outs and watch the verdict. Every extra out is worth about 3.79 points on the flop, and the price stays at 30.00%.

Outs 3 to 7 on the flop against a three-quarter-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
3 outs12.49%-17.51 pointsFold
4 outs16.47%-13.53 pointsFold
5 outs, this page20.35%-9.65 pointsFold
6 outs24.14%-5.86 pointsFold
7 outs27.84%-2.16 pointsFold

The draw across every bet size

Keep 5 outs and change only the bet. The price rises from the smallest size to the largest, and the three-quarter-pot row is marked as this page.

Your draw can face a bet of up to 0.34 times the pot ($34.32 on a $100 pot) and still break even. 2 of the 12 sizes fall at or under that line.

5 outs on the flop against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%+3.68 pointsCall
third-pot20.00%+0.35 pointsCall
two-fifths-pot22.22%-1.87 pointsFold
half-pot25.00%-4.65 pointsFold
two-thirds-pot28.57%-8.22 pointsFold
three-quarter-pot, this page30.00%-9.65 pointsFold
pot-size33.33%-12.98 pointsFold
1.25x-pot35.71%-15.36 pointsFold
1.5x-pot37.50%-17.15 pointsFold
2x-pot40.00%-19.65 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-22.51 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-24.09 pointsFold

How this is computed

Everything is computed from the closed form. Pairs without an out: 861 of 1,081. The rest, 20.35%, hold at least one out.

The price is call / (pot + bet + call), here $75 / $250 = 30.00%, and the margin is your chance minus it. The page assumes you call the whole bet, win the whole pot whenever you hit, and see no more betting. All 47 unseen cards are equally likely and none is removed for an opponent's hand, so this is the chance to hit your outs, not your equity against one hand.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

How should you respond to a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop when you hold 5 outs?

Compare 20.35%, your chance to hit by the river, with 30.00%, the equity a three-quarter-pot bet needs. The gap is -9.65 points, so this is a fold. In dollars on a $100 pot, the call averages -$24.12 when no more betting follows.

What is the minimum number of outs for a three-quarter-pot bet on the flop?

The threshold is 8 outs. It gives 31.45%, clearing 30.00%, whereas 7 gives only 27.84%. Holding 5 puts you 3 below it, with a chance of 20.35%.

Is the by-the-river chance the right one to use on the flop?

The river figure of 20.35% assumes no further betting; the next-card figure of 10.64% assumes you pay again on the turn. Against 30.00%, both say fold, so you can use either.

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