6 outs on the turn against a third-pot bet: call or fold

A third-pot bet on the turn is too expensive to call with 6 outs. You hit 13.04% of the time by the river and the call needs 20.00%.

Verdict

Fold

6 outs, turn, third-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the riverone card to come13.04%
  • Equity the call needs$33.33 into a pot of $166.6720.00%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price-6.96 points

Comparing the draw with the bet

The odds you are given are worse than the odds you need: 20.00% needed, 13.04% held, 6.96 points missing.

Holding two overcards gives you exactly 6 outs, out of 46 unseen cards. One card hits 13.04% of the time.

The $100 pot example

  • Pot before the bet$100
  • Your opponent bets$33.33
  • Chips you put in$33.33
  • Total pot after calling$166.67
  • What a hit wins$133.33
  • What a miss costs$33.33
  • Chance to hit by the river13.04%
  • Average value of the call-$11.59
  • Equity the call needs20.00%
  • Your chance minus the price, unrounded-6.9565 points
  • Outs at break-even9.20 outs
  • Outs above the price-3.20 outs

Price it in dollars, with no later bets: win the whole pot on a hit, lose the call on a miss. That averages $17.39 in and $28.99 out, so calling loses $11.59 on average at -0.348 per dollar called.

The same comparison in odds: the odds against hitting are 6.67 : 1, and the pot lays 4 : 1 on a call.

Counting the pot without your call makes the price look like 25.00%, when the real price is 20.00%. On that mistaken price the margin would read -11.9565 points; on 33.33%, the bet over the starting pot, it would read -20.2899 points.

What implied odds would have to do

Think of it as a missing $88.89. When the draw hits you must collect that much beyond the pot for the $33.33 call to pay for itself, 2.67 times your call.

Another way to close the gap is more outs. The fewest outs that call a third-pot bet on the turn is 10; with 10 outs you would hit 21.74%. That is 4 more outs than the 6 you hold.

Price of a third-pot call with future winnings added, 6 outs on the turn
Future winningsPrice with themYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$020.00%-6.96 points-$11.59Fold
$5015.38%-2.34 points-$5.07Fold
$10012.50%+0.54 points+$1.45Call
$2508.00%+5.04 points+$21.01Call
$5005.00%+8.04 points+$53.62Call

The same draw on the flop

Only the river remains, so there is just one number: 13.04%. For reference, the same draw on the flop was 24.14%, 11.10 points higher, which against 20.00% is a call.

6 outs against a third-pot bet, flop and turn
StreetChance by the riverMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
Flop, two cards to come24.14%+4.1443 points+$6.91Call
Turn, one card to come13.04%-6.9565 points-$11.59Fold

Counts close to yours

Draws close to yours, on the same street and against the same bet: the price is fixed at 20.00%, and each out moves the chance about 2.17 points.

Outs 4 to 8 on the turn against a third-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
4 outs8.70%-11.30 pointsFold
5 outs10.87%-9.13 pointsFold
6 outs, this page13.04%-6.96 pointsFold
7 outs15.22%-4.78 pointsFold
8 outs17.39%-2.61 pointsFold

Changing the bet, keeping the draw

Bet size sets the price, so the verdict changes as you scan the table. The third-pot bet of this page is marked in the first column.

With 13.04% to hit, you can call a bet up to 0.18 times the pot ($17.65 on a $100 pot) and no more, which is smaller than every size listed. All 12 rows are folds.

6 outs on the turn against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%-3.62 pointsFold
third-pot, this page20.00%-6.96 pointsFold
two-fifths-pot22.22%-9.18 pointsFold
half-pot25.00%-11.96 pointsFold
two-thirds-pot28.57%-15.53 pointsFold
three-quarter-pot30.00%-16.96 pointsFold
pot-size33.33%-20.29 pointsFold
1.25x-pot35.71%-22.67 pointsFold
1.5x-pot37.50%-24.46 pointsFold
2x-pot40.00%-26.96 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-29.81 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-31.40 pointsFold

How this is computed

Counting is exact: one card is left, 6 of 46 unseen cards help, and the chance is 13.04%.

What is held fixed: the call equals the bet, so the price is $33.33 / $166.67 = 20.00%; the pot is won whole on a hit; there is no further betting; and each of the 46 unseen cards is as likely as any other. Opponent cards are not removed.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

What does the math say about calling a bet of a third of the pot with 6 outs on the turn?

Math says fold. The third-pot bet of $33.33 needs 20.00% equity, 6 outs on the turn give 13.04%, and the margin is -6.96 points. Assuming a whole pot won on a hit and no further bets, the call is worth -$11.59 on average.

At what count of outs does a third-pot bet on the turn become a call?

Look for 10 outs. That is the smallest count whose chance, 21.74%, reaches the 20.00% price; 9 manages 19.57%. You have 6, so you are 4 behind the minimum.

Which hit chance fits a third-pot bet on the turn?

The question belongs to the flop. On the turn, 6 outs among 46 cards give 13.04% either way, and against 20.00% that is a fold by 6.96 points.

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