4 outs on the turn against a two-thirds-pot bet: call or fold

4 outs against a two-thirds-pot bet on the turn miss the price. You need 28.57% and you have 8.70%.

Verdict

Fold

4 outs, turn, two-thirds-pot bet

  • Chance to hit by the riverone card to come8.70%
  • Equity the call needs$66.67 into a pot of $233.3328.57%
  • Margin over the priceyour chance minus the price-19.88 points

Chance against price

Pay the two-thirds-pot bet and you pay more than the draw is worth. You need 28.57%, you have 8.70%, and the 19.88-point shortfall is large.

For a gutshot straight draw, 4 outs is the number to use, and one card hits 8.70% of the time out of 46 unseen.

The arithmetic of this call

  • The pot before betting$100
  • The bet$66.67
  • You call$66.67
  • Final pot if you call$233.33
  • Gain on a hit$166.67
  • What a miss costs$66.67
  • Your chance to hit8.70%
  • Expected value of a call-$46.38
  • Break-even equity28.57%
  • Your chance minus the price, unrounded-19.8758 points
  • Outs at break-even13.14 outs
  • Margin measured in outs-9.14 outs

With no more betting, the whole pot won on a hit and the call lost on a miss, the call loses $46.38 on average. The hit side averages $14.49, the miss side $60.87, and each dollar called returns -0.696.

Odds say the same thing. Hitting is 10.5 : 1 against, and the pot lays 2.5 : 1.

A common slip is to divide the bet by the pot after the bet but before your call. That gives 40.00% instead of 28.57% and would put your margin at -31.3043 points. Using the bet over the starting pot, 66.67%, is further off and would put it at -57.9710 points.

The extra winnings a call would need

With 8.70% to hit, break-even sits $533.33 higher than the pot shows. Put another way, later bets must add 8.00 times your call.

14 outs is the threshold against a two-thirds-pot bet on the turn, a chance of 30.43%. That is 10 more than your 4.

Price of a two-thirds-pot call with future winnings added, 4 outs on the turn
Future winningsPrice with themYour chance minus priceValue of the callCall?
$028.57%-19.88 points-$46.38Fold
$5023.53%-14.83 points-$42.03Fold
$10020.00%-11.30 points-$37.68Fold
$25013.79%-5.10 points-$24.64Fold
$5009.09%-0.40 points-$2.90Fold

The cost of waiting a street

Compare the streets. With two cards left, 4 outs hit 16.47% (a fold); with one card left they hit 8.70% (a fold). The difference is 7.77 points.

4 outs against a two-thirds-pot bet, flop and turn
StreetChance by the riverMargin over priceValue of the callVerdict
Flop, two cards to come16.47%-12.1052 points-$28.25Fold
Turn, one card to come8.70%-19.8758 points-$46.38Fold

A few outs either way

Same bet, same street, different draws. The row for 4 outs is marked, and every out is worth about 2.17 points.

Outs 2 to 6 on the turn against a two-thirds-pot bet
OutsBy the riverMarginVerdict
2 outs4.35%-24.22 pointsFold
3 outs6.52%-22.05 pointsFold
4 outs, this page8.70%-19.88 pointsFold
5 outs10.87%-17.70 pointsFold
6 outs13.04%-15.53 pointsFold

Bigger and smaller bets

Bet size sets the price, so the verdict changes as you scan the table. The two-thirds-pot bet of this page is marked in the first column.

Even the smallest bet on the list outprices 4 outs on the turn. The break-even bet is 0.11 times the pot ($10.53 on a $100 pot), and every one of the 12 sizes is above it.

4 outs on the turn against every bet size
Bet sizeEquity neededMarginVerdict
quarter-pot16.67%-7.97 pointsFold
third-pot20.00%-11.30 pointsFold
two-fifths-pot22.22%-13.53 pointsFold
half-pot25.00%-16.30 pointsFold
two-thirds-pot, this page28.57%-19.88 pointsFold
three-quarter-pot30.00%-21.30 pointsFold
pot-size33.33%-24.64 pointsFold
1.25x-pot35.71%-27.02 pointsFold
1.5x-pot37.50%-28.80 pointsFold
2x-pot40.00%-31.30 pointsFold
3x-pot42.86%-34.16 pointsFold
4x-pot44.44%-35.75 pointsFold

How this is computed

The hit chance comes straight from combinations. With one card left and 4 outs in 46 cards, you hit 8.70% of the time.

What is held fixed: the call equals the bet, so the price is $66.67 / $233.33 = 28.57%; the pot is won whole on a hit; there is no further betting; and each of the 46 unseen cards is as likely as any other. Opponent cards are not removed.

Computed from the closed form by the GeorgeLiPoker math library.

Updated

Questions

Is a call correct with 4 outs against a two-thirds-pot bet on the turn?

Compare 8.70%, your chance to hit by the river, with 28.57%, the equity a two-thirds-pot bet needs. The gap is -19.88 points, so this is a fold. In dollars on a $100 pot, the call averages -$46.38 when no more betting follows.

How strong must a draw be to call a two-thirds-pot bet on the turn?

The fewest outs that call a two-thirds-pot bet on the turn is 14. With 14 outs you hit 30.43%, which reaches the 28.57% price, while 13 outs hit only 28.26%. You have 4, so you are 10 below that count.

One card or two: which number belongs next to the 28.57% price?

Count the river card only. 8.70% is the full chance and the price is 28.57%, so the verdict is fold with a gap of 19.88 points. Nothing else is left to come.

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